[Resolved] De Vere Grand Hotel Brighton — ABOUT THE APPOINTMENT LETTER - NEED TO KNOW IF THIS IS GENUINE | |||
ABOUT THE APPOINTMENT LETTER DEAR SIR / MADAM; I GOT THE OFFER LETTER FOM THE GRAND HOTEL - BRIGHTON & AS WELL AS THE HOTEL PEOPLE SEND THE APPOINMENT LETTER AND THEY TOLD TO SPEAK WITH THE CONCERNED ERSON ON THE BRITISH EMBASSY THAT MR.BORIS BECKER(OFFICER IN CHARGE). THAT GENTLE MAN TOLD THAT TO PAY THE VISA FEE BY CASH.I AM ATTACHING THE FOLLOWING DETAILS SEND BY THAT PERSON. PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHETHER IT IS ORIGINAL OR FROUD... RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE YOUR VISA URGENT Attn: MR. SANDEEP PATHA, I am in receipt of your mail today and its contents have been acknowledged. At this point, all your employment letters and visa documents have been faxed to the British high commission embassy in (INDIA.) You are therefore directed to contact the embassy on the following contact information bellow, BRITISH COUNCIL: Contact Person: Mr. Boris Becker (Officer in Charge) Mobile Phone: + 91 [protected] Land Line: [protected]@asia.com The above mention contact detail is the direct and personal contact information of the high commissioner British embassy in India. You are directed to corporate and with maximum respect the consular needed from you because he will be using his personal power to secure you a UK entry work permit visa which will be two years and six months work permit visa and it’s renewable after the said period of time. Remember that company (GRAND HOTEL E-mail: [protected]@live.com , boris_beckerbe54BRIGHTON UK) will be expecting your visa confirmation within or before NOVEMBER 23RD, 2010 and your arrival in London will be not less than three days after visa confirmation. Note that you are to take care of your visa fees expenses and charges during this process and always keep me updated on the excise. Be informed that the embassy has been waiting for your call for verification and to start the visa process immediately. The embassy will let you know what it will cost you to secure work permit visa to United Kingdom. Your air ticket will be send down to you immediately you confirm to us that visa have been issued to you and company will refund you whatever you have spend during the visa process. The refunding excise will take place here in GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK After three days of your arrival along side with three months additional salary to make yourself comfortable. Congratulations ones again and I welcomes you to London in advance. Regards, Sir. Powel C. Human Res. Dev. Manager GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK KING’S ROAD BRIGHTON EAST SUSSEX, BN1 2FW UK TEL: [protected] [protected] Was this information helpful? | |||
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even i got the same one. Can anyone tell me if this is genuine one?
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even i got the same one. Can anyone tell me if this is genuine one?
i also got the same please tell me if anyone got ticket or went there is there everything ok or not but as per me its a big fraud because everyone got the same letter & job id & file no. is this possible?
Jasvinder1984's reply, Jun 24, 2020
Hi Jaspreet, I am Jasvinder from Mumbai. I also got the email from grand hotel. I also got confused whether is correct or fraud. Can you please whats aap me on this #9768278152
Dear Sir,
I m Receive the oppointment from DE VERE GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON for the post of asst administration manager and they told me you contact to our british council in mumbai to the contact person is Mr. Boris Becker (Officer in Charge) and they want to paid visa processing fee and visa fee is GBP 421, after that we give you visa for uk and we will send your air ticket.
I want know it is orignal of froud.
Thanks & Regards
Wajid khan
RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE YOUR VISA URGENT
Attn: Mr. Khan Mohd Wajid,
I am in receipt of your mail today and its contents have been acknowledged and also our discussion with Mr. Boris Becker regarding your visa processing that is expected to be started before the end of this week.
Regarding on your mail you are advised to comply with Mr. Boris Becker and make sure that your visa processing is started before the end of this week.
Finally after remitting the amount don’t forget to scan the bank confirmations slip to us for documentations purpose.
Your air ticket will be send down to you immediately you confirm to us that visa have been issued to you and company will refund you whatever you have spend during the visa process. The refunding excise will take place here in GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK
After three days of your arrival along side with three months additional salary to make yourself comfortable.
Congratulations ones again and I welcomes you to London in advance.
Regards,
Sir. Powel C.
Human Res. Dev. Manager
GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK
KING’S ROAD BRIGHTON
EAST SUSSEX, BN1 2FW UK
TEL: [protected]
[protected]
I m Receive the oppointment from DE VERE GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON for the post of asst administration manager and they told me you contact to our british council in mumbai to the contact person is Mr. Boris Becker (Officer in Charge) and they want to paid visa processing fee and visa fee is GBP 421, after that we give you visa for uk and we will send your air ticket.
I want know it is orignal of froud.
Thanks & Regards
Wajid khan
RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE YOUR VISA URGENT
Attn: Mr. Khan Mohd Wajid,
I am in receipt of your mail today and its contents have been acknowledged and also our discussion with Mr. Boris Becker regarding your visa processing that is expected to be started before the end of this week.
Regarding on your mail you are advised to comply with Mr. Boris Becker and make sure that your visa processing is started before the end of this week.
Finally after remitting the amount don’t forget to scan the bank confirmations slip to us for documentations purpose.
Your air ticket will be send down to you immediately you confirm to us that visa have been issued to you and company will refund you whatever you have spend during the visa process. The refunding excise will take place here in GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK
After three days of your arrival along side with three months additional salary to make yourself comfortable.
Congratulations ones again and I welcomes you to London in advance.
Regards,
Sir. Powel C.
Human Res. Dev. Manager
GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK
KING’S ROAD BRIGHTON
EAST SUSSEX, BN1 2FW UK
TEL: [protected]
[protected]
So, Dont believe the jobs sending from this hotel by name Powel C okay...
Hi
This is a scam. We do not have a Mr Powel working here at the Grand.
If we have any jobs available they are advertised on www.caterer.com.
Best Regards,
Zsolt Vago
Senior Receptionist
The Grand Brighton
-----Original Message-----
From: pavan rao [SMTP:[protected]@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 December 2010 15:25
To: grand-hotel-brighton44; Grand Brighton Reception; recruitmentlondon.[protected]@gmail.com
Subject: Fwd: RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE YOUR VISA URGENT
[protected] Forwarded message[protected]
From: pavan rao <
[protected]@gmail.com <mailto:[protected]@gmail.com>>
Date: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE YOUR VISA URGENT
To: DE VERE GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON <
[protected]@live.com <mailto:[protected]@live.com>>
Dear Sir,
Thanks for your reply, I am interested to work on this assignment. I request you to sponser the Visa and i will pay the amount towards air ticket. Please do the needful.
Regards,
Pavan V Koteswara Rao S
[protected]
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:10 PM, DE VERE GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON <[protected]@live.com <mailto:[protected]@live.com>> wrote:
RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE YOUR VISA URGENT
Attn: Mr. Pavan V Koteswara Rao S,
I am in receipt of your mail to Mr. Boris Becker today and its contents have been acknowledged and also our discussions with Mr. Boris Becker regarding your visa processing that is expected to be started since yesterday.
Regarding your mail I wish to inform you that your visa processing is registered as Non Appearance visa processing that is why you have to be following all the instructions giving to you by Mr. Boris Becker.
Secondly I wish to inform you that Mr. Boris Becker can only invite you to Embassy only after opening of your file because he can only identify you with your file number and file name.
Finally you are advised to comply with Mr. Boris Becker and go and remit your processing fee / visa fee as he will be instructing you before he can proceed further in booking your interview date.
And after remitting your processing fee / visa fee don’t forget to scan the bank confirmations slip to us for documentations purpose and also try to be updating us in any latest development in your visa processing so that our management will know the exactly time to book your Air Ticket.
Your air ticket will be send down to you immediately you confirm to us that visa have been issued to you and company will refund you whatever you have spend during the visa process. The refunding excise will take place here in GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK.
After three days of your arrival along side with three months additional salary to make yourself comfortable.
Congratulations ones again and I welcomes you to London in advance.
Regards,
Sir. Powel C.
Human Res. Dev. Manager
GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK
KING’S ROAD BRIGHTON
EAST SUSSEX, BN1 2FW UK
TEL: [protected]
[protected]
--
Pavan V Koteswara Rao S
--
Pavan V Koteswara Rao S
De Vere Hotels & Leisure Limited (De Vere) does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of De Vere unless otherwise specifically stated. De Vere has taken every reasonable precaution to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. However, we cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and would advise that you carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment.
De Vere Hotels & Leisure Limited, Company Number: 418878, registered in England. Registered office address: 179 Great Portland Street, London, W1W 5LS.
Hi
This is a scam. We do not have a Mr Powel working here at the Grand.
If we have any jobs available they are advertised on www.caterer.com.
Best Regards,
Zsolt Vago
Senior Receptionist
The Grand Brighton
-----Original Message-----
From: pavan rao [SMTP:[protected]@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 December 2010 15:25
To: grand-hotel-brighton44; Grand Brighton Reception; recruitmentlondon.[protected]@gmail.com
Subject: Fwd: RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE YOUR VISA URGENT
[protected] Forwarded message[protected]
From: pavan rao <
[protected]@gmail.com <mailto:[protected]@gmail.com>>
Date: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE YOUR VISA URGENT
To: DE VERE GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON <
[protected]@live.com <mailto:[protected]@live.com>>
Dear Sir,
Thanks for your reply, I am interested to work on this assignment. I request you to sponser the Visa and i will pay the amount towards air ticket. Please do the needful.
Regards,
Pavan V Koteswara Rao S
[protected]
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:10 PM, DE VERE GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON <[protected]@live.com <mailto:[protected]@live.com>> wrote:
RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE YOUR VISA URGENT
Attn: Mr. Pavan V Koteswara Rao S,
I am in receipt of your mail to Mr. Boris Becker today and its contents have been acknowledged and also our discussions with Mr. Boris Becker regarding your visa processing that is expected to be started since yesterday.
Regarding your mail I wish to inform you that your visa processing is registered as Non Appearance visa processing that is why you have to be following all the instructions giving to you by Mr. Boris Becker.
Secondly I wish to inform you that Mr. Boris Becker can only invite you to Embassy only after opening of your file because he can only identify you with your file number and file name.
Finally you are advised to comply with Mr. Boris Becker and go and remit your processing fee / visa fee as he will be instructing you before he can proceed further in booking your interview date.
And after remitting your processing fee / visa fee don’t forget to scan the bank confirmations slip to us for documentations purpose and also try to be updating us in any latest development in your visa processing so that our management will know the exactly time to book your Air Ticket.
Your air ticket will be send down to you immediately you confirm to us that visa have been issued to you and company will refund you whatever you have spend during the visa process. The refunding excise will take place here in GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK.
After three days of your arrival along side with three months additional salary to make yourself comfortable.
Congratulations ones again and I welcomes you to London in advance.
Regards,
Sir. Powel C.
Human Res. Dev. Manager
GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK
KING’S ROAD BRIGHTON
EAST SUSSEX, BN1 2FW UK
TEL: [protected]
[protected]
--
Pavan V Koteswara Rao S
--
Pavan V Koteswara Rao S
De Vere Hotels & Leisure Limited (De Vere) does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of De Vere unless otherwise specifically stated. De Vere has taken every reasonable precaution to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. However, we cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and would advise that you carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment.
De Vere Hotels & Leisure Limited, Company Number: 418878, registered in England. Registered office address: 179 Great Portland Street, London, W1W 5LS.
DEAR SIR / MADAM;
I GOT THE OFFER LETTER FOM THE GRAND HOTEL - BRIGHTON & AS WELL AS THE HOTEL PEOPLE SEND THE APPOINMENT LETTER YESTERDAY,
PLEASE GUIDE ME AND LET ME KNOW WHETHER IT IS ORIGINAL OR FROUD...
RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE YOUR VISA URGENT
Attn: Mr. JAVED...
I am in receipt of your mail today and its contents have been acknowledged. At this point, all your employment letters and visa documents have been faxed to the British Deputy high commission embassy in (INDIA.) You are therefore directed to contact the embassy on the following contact information bellow,
BRITISH COUNCIL:
Contact Person: Mr. Boris Becker (Officer in Charge)
Mobile Phone: + 91 [protected]
Land Line: [protected]
E-mail: [protected]@live.com, [protected]@asia.com
The above mention contact detail is the direct and personal contact information of the high commissioner British embassy in India. You are directed to corporate and with maximum respect the consular needed from you because he will be using his personal power to secure you a UK entry work permit visa which will be two years and six months work permit visa and it’s renewable after the said period of time.
Remember that company (GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK) will be expecting your visa confirmation within or before MARCH 4th, 2011 and your arrival in London will be not less than three days after visa confirmation.
Note that you are to take care of your visa fees expenses and charges during this process and always keep me updated on the excise. Be informed that the embassy has been waiting for your call for verification and to start the visa process immediately.
The embassy will let you know what it will cost you to secure work permit visa to United Kingdom.
Your air ticket will be send down to you immediately you confirm to us that visa have been issued to you and company will refund you whatever you have spend during the visa process. The refunding excise will take place here in GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK
After three days of your arrival along side with three months additional salary to make yourself comfortable.
Congratulations ones again and I welcomes you to London in advance.
Regards,
Sir. Powel C.
Human Res. Dev. Manager
GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK
KING’S ROAD BRIGHTON
EAST SUSSEX, BN1 2FW UK
TEL: [protected]
[protected]
I GOT THE OFFER LETTER FOM THE GRAND HOTEL - BRIGHTON & AS WELL AS THE HOTEL PEOPLE SEND THE APPOINMENT LETTER YESTERDAY,
PLEASE GUIDE ME AND LET ME KNOW WHETHER IT IS ORIGINAL OR FROUD...
RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE YOUR VISA URGENT
Attn: Mr. JAVED...
I am in receipt of your mail today and its contents have been acknowledged. At this point, all your employment letters and visa documents have been faxed to the British Deputy high commission embassy in (INDIA.) You are therefore directed to contact the embassy on the following contact information bellow,
BRITISH COUNCIL:
Contact Person: Mr. Boris Becker (Officer in Charge)
Mobile Phone: + 91 [protected]
Land Line: [protected]
E-mail: [protected]@live.com, [protected]@asia.com
The above mention contact detail is the direct and personal contact information of the high commissioner British embassy in India. You are directed to corporate and with maximum respect the consular needed from you because he will be using his personal power to secure you a UK entry work permit visa which will be two years and six months work permit visa and it’s renewable after the said period of time.
Remember that company (GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK) will be expecting your visa confirmation within or before MARCH 4th, 2011 and your arrival in London will be not less than three days after visa confirmation.
Note that you are to take care of your visa fees expenses and charges during this process and always keep me updated on the excise. Be informed that the embassy has been waiting for your call for verification and to start the visa process immediately.
The embassy will let you know what it will cost you to secure work permit visa to United Kingdom.
Your air ticket will be send down to you immediately you confirm to us that visa have been issued to you and company will refund you whatever you have spend during the visa process. The refunding excise will take place here in GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK
After three days of your arrival along side with three months additional salary to make yourself comfortable.
Congratulations ones again and I welcomes you to London in advance.
Regards,
Sir. Powel C.
Human Res. Dev. Manager
GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK
KING’S ROAD BRIGHTON
EAST SUSSEX, BN1 2FW UK
TEL: [protected]
[protected]
in the same way i got the mail . regarding appointment please do help me whether this communication made by BRIGHTON, DE VERE HOTEL, U.K ., is genuine r fraud
i got this sam eletter pls tell me is genuine or fraud
I got the same mail regarding appointment. Could you please let me know is it genuine or fraud.
DEAR SIR / MADAM;
I GOT THE OFFER LETTER FOM THE GRAND HOTEL - BRIGHTON & AS WELL AS APPOINMENT LETTER.
PLEASE GUIDE ME AND LET ME KNOW WHETHER IT IS ORIGINAL OR FROUD...
RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE YOUR VISA URGENT
Mr Azhar Altaf Rather
I am in receipt of your mail today and its contents have been acknowledged. At this point, all your employment letters and visa documents have been faxed to the British high commission embassy in (INDIA.) You are therefore directed to contact the embassy on the following contact information bellow,
BRITISH COUNCIL:
Contact Person Mr James Williams
[protected]@hotmail.com
[protected]@connecticut.usa.com
Tell ...[protected] / [protected]
The above mention contact detail is the direct and personal contact information of the high commissioner British embassy in India. You are directed to corporate and with maximum respect the consular needed from you because he will be using his personal power to secure you a UK entry work permit visa which will be two years and six months work permit visa and it’s renewable after the said period of time.
Remember that company (GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK) will be expecting your visa confirmation within or before May 15th, 2011 and your arrival in London will be not less than 25th days after visa confirmation.
Note that you are to take care of your visa fees expenses and charges during this process and always keep me updated on the excise. Be informed that the embassy has been waiting for your call for verification and to start the visa process immediately.
The embassy will let you know what it will cost you to secure work permit visa to United Kingdom. your air ticket will be send down to you immediately you confirm to us that visa have been issued to you and company will refund you whatever you have spend during the visa process the refunding excise will take place here in GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK
After three days of your arrival along side with three months additional salary to make yourself comfortable.
Congratulations ones again and I welcomes you to London in advance.
Regards
Dr Peter David
Human Res Dev Manger
GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK
KING’S ROAD BRIGHTON
EAST SUSSEX, BN1 2FW UK
Tell [protected]
I GOT THE OFFER LETTER FOM THE GRAND HOTEL - BRIGHTON & AS WELL AS APPOINMENT LETTER.
PLEASE GUIDE ME AND LET ME KNOW WHETHER IT IS ORIGINAL OR FROUD...
RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE YOUR VISA URGENT
Mr Azhar Altaf Rather
I am in receipt of your mail today and its contents have been acknowledged. At this point, all your employment letters and visa documents have been faxed to the British high commission embassy in (INDIA.) You are therefore directed to contact the embassy on the following contact information bellow,
BRITISH COUNCIL:
Contact Person Mr James Williams
[protected]@hotmail.com
[protected]@connecticut.usa.com
Tell ...[protected] / [protected]
The above mention contact detail is the direct and personal contact information of the high commissioner British embassy in India. You are directed to corporate and with maximum respect the consular needed from you because he will be using his personal power to secure you a UK entry work permit visa which will be two years and six months work permit visa and it’s renewable after the said period of time.
Remember that company (GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK) will be expecting your visa confirmation within or before May 15th, 2011 and your arrival in London will be not less than 25th days after visa confirmation.
Note that you are to take care of your visa fees expenses and charges during this process and always keep me updated on the excise. Be informed that the embassy has been waiting for your call for verification and to start the visa process immediately.
The embassy will let you know what it will cost you to secure work permit visa to United Kingdom. your air ticket will be send down to you immediately you confirm to us that visa have been issued to you and company will refund you whatever you have spend during the visa process the refunding excise will take place here in GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK
After three days of your arrival along side with three months additional salary to make yourself comfortable.
Congratulations ones again and I welcomes you to London in advance.
Regards
Dr Peter David
Human Res Dev Manger
GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON UK
KING’S ROAD BRIGHTON
EAST SUSSEX, BN1 2FW UK
Tell [protected]
DEAR SIR / MADAM;
I GOT THE OFFER LETTER FOM THE GRAND HOTEL - BRIGHTON & AS WELL AS THE HOTEL PEOPLE SEND THE APPOINMENT LETTER YESTERDAY,
PLEASE GUIDE ME AND LET ME KNOW WHETHER IT IS ORIGINAL OR FROUD...
RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE YOUR VISA URGENT
Kulvir Kaur Natt
I GOT THE OFFER LETTER FOM THE GRAND HOTEL - BRIGHTON & AS WELL AS THE HOTEL PEOPLE SEND THE APPOINMENT LETTER YESTERDAY,
PLEASE GUIDE ME AND LET ME KNOW WHETHER IT IS ORIGINAL OR FROUD...
RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE YOUR VISA URGENT
Kulvir Kaur Natt
DEAR SIR / MADAM;
I GOT THE OFFER LETTER FOM THE GRAND HOTEL - BRIGHTON & AS WELL AS THE HOTEL PEOPLE SEND THE APPOINMENT LETTER YESTERDAY,
PLEASE GUIDE ME AND LET ME KNOW WHETHER IT IS ORIGINAL OR FROUD...
jigar shah (gujarat, anand)
I GOT THE OFFER LETTER FOM THE GRAND HOTEL - BRIGHTON & AS WELL AS THE HOTEL PEOPLE SEND THE APPOINMENT LETTER YESTERDAY,
PLEASE GUIDE ME AND LET ME KNOW WHETHER IT IS ORIGINAL OR FROUD...
jigar shah (gujarat, anand)
i dont know
THIS IS A COMPLETE SCAM!!! PLEASE DO NOT SEND THESE PEOPLE ANY MONEY. I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE GRAND HOTEL ON BEHALF OF A FRIEND AND THEY HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY OF THESE PEOPLE CLAIMING TO WORK FOR THEM, THE E-MAIL ADDRESSES GIVEN ARE NOT FOR THEM, NOR ARE THE PHONE NUMBERS. THEY ARE TRYING TO STEAL YOUR MONEY, PLEASE DO NOT LET THEM DO THIS.
(PS. BORIS BECKER IS A FAMOUS GERMAN TENNIS PLAYER!!! AND A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL WOULD CERTAINLY NOT CONDUCT THEIR BUSINESS VIA A HOTMAIL ACCOUNT!!!)
(PS. BORIS BECKER IS A FAMOUS GERMAN TENNIS PLAYER!!! AND A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL WOULD CERTAINLY NOT CONDUCT THEIR BUSINESS VIA A HOTMAIL ACCOUNT!!!)
SCAM SCAM PURE SCAM
GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON — VISA
I RECEIVED A MAIL FROM GRAND HOTEL BRIGHTON FROM UK THAT I WAS SELECTED FOR THEIR JOB OFFER AND TO DEPOSIT 410 POUNDS FOR VISA PROCESS I DONT KNOW IT IS FRUD OR GENUIE PLEASE HELP MEI THIS REGARD pls help
This is clearly a big fraud. Lakhs and Lakhs are unemployed in UK and the hotel is hiring u. Many have been trapped in this kind of fraud who don't understand that no company charges fee for Visa related matters.
please be cautious with these kind of luring offers..
please be cautious with these kind of luring offers..
sir i have an email posted for the job of duty manager, where they have taken online interview and they have sent me the appointment letter and told me to go for the visa immedietly i am in dialema whether it is corrector not, i am sending you all the details. i will be grateful if you enquire the matter,